CU: I don't know, because they all know that I don't, well, I became a president only for one reason, for redress only, and after that... well, there was many, many things that I do not agree with JACL. Recently, within the last year or so, as you know, there has been many things happening, like the Trisha Murakawa resigning, Ruth Mizobe also resigning from the JACL. And there was a strong movement up here in Northern California, and they were talking about forming a rival organization. So they asked me, "What do you think?" I said, "You know, JACL has a long history, and the history itself is, has some credibility, has some value, and also JACL has a national networking. Only reason why we went with the JACL for the Iva Toguri or the Tokyo Rose case was because -- in fact, we had a, all the meetings were held right here in this room. And the big question was, "Shall we go under JACL? Should this be a JACL committee, or should there be an independent committee?" And my opinion at that time was -- this was before I became a president -- I said, "Well, JACL has networking. By issuing one memo, I could have 114 chapters get the memo. That's one advantage that you have, to be in contact, to contact all the other Japanese Americans in the United States. So why don't we use JACL as a vehicle to run the campaign?"

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