HY: Oh, I think it's something we'll never get over even with redress. Because it was so traumatic that a lot of Nisei families were... the Sansei kids were never told of such things and the Sansei kids had to learn through other channels that this had been done to the Japanese Americans during the war. And David Mura, himself, was surprised to find out about it. And his, I think his folks refused to talk about it, so he found out through an aunt what had happened. And so it's been handed down from, that trauma has been handed down from generation to generation.

HY: Well, we were found guilty without trial, and we were forced to give up our property and our associations, everything in the Western Defense Command. And put in these really bleak places where we were buffeted by sandstorms and heat and really uncomfortable living conditions. And I think there were very sensitive, I mean, sensitive people that did kill themselves because of it.

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