TY: Yeah, Kitagawa made arrangement to, for us to be met at the Albuquerque train station by another Episcopal minister, canon of one of the church there, the Episcopal church in New Mexico. And when we got to New Mexi-, when we got to Albuquerque it was after dark and like -- and must have been about seven o'clock in the evening and he met us at the airport and he immediately escorted us to his car. And when we got into the car he said a strange thing. He said, "Would you mind gettin' in the back and, and lie down so that people can't see you?" And I thought, "Oh that's kinda strange." I said, we said, "Okay." My sister and I looked at each other and we got in the car and I got on the floor and May lie down on the seat and once we got to the church and got inside the church, the Reverend, I think it was Snyder, said, "Well, I'm sorry I had to ask you to do that," but he said, then he explained to us why. He said that the feeling was very high in Albuquerque so we just didn't want to take any chances so we -- so very next morning, very early, we caught the train to go to Lordsburg. I remember going down but then coming back I'm not sure how we got back. And then what circumstances, how we got from the Lordsburg camp to Albuquerque and back to Idaho. We, going down, I remember vividly for some reason. I can't remember anything about going back. And when we got to Lordsburg, they, it was -- the camp was just like Minidoka, with barbed wire fence except that they seemed to have more guards and the barbed wire fence was much higher. But they did have a visitors barrack there, a visitors barrack and we went in there and we waited for our dad to come.

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TI: Did you tell him that you were going to volunteer? And...

TY: No, that word wasn't even mentioned. I think he was -- well, as we mentioned before in the other interview, Dad seemed to be... outwardly it seemed like he was trying to act like he was very, taking light of the situation. He was talking about mundane things like the weather and he's feeling fine and everything has been going okay and things like that and we never talked -- nothing too serious.

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