And my folks emphasized the fact that this incarceration was due to war, this was an injustice due to war. And that we should always make sure that there is no more war, and we should work for peace. My father was a real strong pacifist. And he was a real peaceful man, and I just felt like, and my mother, too, and they were never critical of people. It was just amazing because my mother never gossiped and talked bad about people. And when we would do that, she would really frown on it; and wouldn't join in to cheer the -- sometimes it's, you think it's fun to hear all these negative things about people, and say, "Ooh," sensationalize it. And my mother discouraged that. And so, I'm very lucky to have those kind of role models. And then getting influence like, people like Floyd Schmoe and people in the peace movement. And peace empowers you. Peace empowers you so that it's such a satisfying thing because you could see the good that it does. And it's not what you're doing but it's -- but empowerment of peace makes such a difference for so many people.

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