CT: Because in those days the Children's Village, in the minds of the other people, was nonexistence and we were always unimportant to other people. I felt that growing up. We were, I'm talking about adults. I'm not talking about my peers. But it just seemed like in those days there might have been a stigma of being an orphan or a homeless child with the Isseis and there might have been discrimination, I don't know, with the older children. "No, you can't play with them because they're an orphan," you know? And they would just say things like that, I heard.

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