DT: I think everybody was just stunned. You know, well, normally judges don't rule from the bench like that. They'll take it under submission and you'll hear it, get a decision in writing some months later. And the cameras are just mobbed, and Patel, Judge Patel just felt moved to... she's got a, she knows what she was going to write, and she wanted to make a statement about the Constitution right then and there. And the whole room was filled with internees, former internees. And so when she ruled, I mean, everybody was like, "Whoa, did that really happen?" And my parents were like, it was kind of like the trials that they never had. That's what Fred's case was. I mean, everybody... if you're wronged, you want your day in court, and that was the equivalent of their day in court. And to be told, yeah, they didn't do anything wrong. After all of these years, it was the government that was wrong, and you were right, and you should not have been victimized like that. I think that was a good, that was... and so they were thrilled, everybody was thrilled. Fred was a hero. It was just the most exhilarating and remarkable, amazing thing I'd ever seen. I haven't seen anything since like that. And so it's breathtaking.

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