GU: So, they understood that, that I brought something to the effort that they needed. And also, my powers of persuasions were... Wyoming is a very Republican state. I was, I was a liberal, even a radical in college. And then, I thought about it a little bit, and I thought about how I grew up on the farm, and some of the ranchers, ranchers that I knew, and their sons with whom I played football. And I came back around to thinking, the people in Wyoming are right about life, and about their politics, and the people on the West Side of New York are wrong. Nobody gives you anything in life and, and you gotta work hard and keep your nose clean and take care of your kids. It's a question of personal responsibility, not of social responsibility and so that led me in a conservative direction. And that conservative direction also helped me as I talked to people who were conservatives and on the ascendancy in Capitol Hill, and also in the Reagan White House. In other words, I could speak their language convincingly.

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